{"id":12529,"date":"2012-06-23T10:13:18","date_gmt":"2012-06-23T14:13:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pmedicine.org\/epatients\/?p=12529"},"modified":"2012-06-23T10:26:29","modified_gmt":"2012-06-23T14:26:29","slug":"patient-engagement-of-the-financial-kind-getting-lost-in-the-labyrinth-of-medical-bills-nytimes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/2012\/06\/patient-engagement-of-the-financial-kind-getting-lost-in-the-labyrinth-of-medical-bills-nytimes.html","title":{"rendered":"Patient engagement of the financial kind: &#8220;Getting Lost in the Labyrinth of Medical Bills&#8221; (NYTimes)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In our Society for Participatory Medicine we define this new approach to medicine as<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;a movement in which networked patients shift from being mere passengers to active drivers of their care, and providers\u00a0encourage and value them as full partners.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>An article in today&#8217;s <em>New York Times<\/em>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2012\/06\/23\/your-money\/health-insurance\/navigating-the-labyrinth-of-medical-costs-your-money.html\" target=\"_blank\">Getting Lost in the Labyrinth of Medical Bills<\/a>, illustrates that (at least in America) consumer engagement is important on the financial side, not just in the medical episode &#8230; because a lot of people who are running this stuff have created a mismanaged, tangled, screwed-up and incompetent mess, and we the consumers must take things into our own hands, or die at <em>their <\/em>hands. (Financially.)<\/p>\n<p>I know those are strong words but I ask you to read that <em>Times\u00a0<\/em>article and come to any other conclusion than &#8220;incompetent&#8221; and &#8220;mismanaged.&#8221; (I assume it&#8217;s not willful corruption.) Those words seem reasonable when providers send charges for things that didn&#8217;t happen, claim that they have no ability to control the process, and can&#8217;t help you understand what the bill\u00a0<em>should <\/em>have been.<\/p>\n<p>And then they throw their hands up and say costs are high because patients are irresponsible.<\/p>\n<p>See what you think.\u00a0First, a bit of background.<\/p>\n<h2>Previous posts on this site<\/h2>\n<p><!--more-->Last September, in <a href=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/archives\/2011\/09\/design-and-create-a-safe-decent-patient-centered-healthcare-system.html\" target=\"_blank\">Design and Create a Safe, Decent, Patient-centered Healthcare System<\/a>, we noted two things.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Here&#8217;s the history of US healthcare costs since 1999. The lower lines are wages and inflation; the top lines are the cost of healthcare and (highest line) workers&#8217; share of the payments:<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-12532 alignnone\" style=\"margin-left: 15px;\" src=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/slide-kff-2011-costs-chart.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"560\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/slide-kff-2011-costs-chart.jpg 560w, https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/slide-kff-2011-costs-chart-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 560px) 100vw, 560px\" \/>Any competent business observer looks at something like this and asks, &#8220;How are these guys getting away with this?? \u00a0Consumers sure aren&#8217;t reporting higher satisfaction with the &#8216;product&#8217; &#8211; what&#8217;s going on here??&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Then the September post mentioned the Patient Engagement Framework created by Jessie Gruman&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/cfah.org\" target=\"_blank\">Center for Advancing Health<\/a>. Jessie&#8217;s team identified 43 behaviors that engaged patients must do, and grouped them into ten categories, ranging from &#8220;Find safe, decent care&#8221; to &#8220;Plan for the end of life.&#8221; I proposed an 11th category:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Design and create<\/em>\u00a0a safe, decent, patient centered healthcare system.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li>In March,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/archives\/2012\/03\/what-happens-when-an-engaged-consumer-tries-to-help-control-costs.html\" target=\"_blank\">What happens when an engaged consumer tries to help control costs?<\/a>\u00a0described my own efforts, under high deductible insurance, to be responsible for my care decisions and their costs.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Again, the theme here is patients trying to be responsible for their health, through the medium of the care they receive. And its cost, of course. Here&#8217;s the world such consumers live in:<\/p>\n<h2>Today&#8217;s <em>Times <\/em>article<\/h2>\n<p>I wish I could paste in the whole text of today&#8217;s article,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2012\/06\/23\/your-money\/health-insurance\/navigating-the-labyrinth-of-medical-costs-your-money.html\" target=\"_blank\">Getting Lost in the Labyrinth of Medical Bills<\/a>, but that wouldn&#8217;t be legal. <em>Please <\/em>go read the whole thing, if you can &#8211; it&#8217;s just 1500 words. A few points:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Medical billing advocate Jean Poole relates the &#8220;bewildering world of medical bills and insurance claims.&#8221; $9550 for a chemo treatment that never happened, $11,000 for 11 minute hand surgery, etc.<\/li>\n<li>\u201cThe charges have no rhyme or reason at all,\u201d\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.jhsph.edu\/faculty\/directory\/profile\/1278\/Anderson\/Gerard\">Gerard Anderson<\/a>, director of the\u00a0<a title=\"The center\u2019s Web site.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.jhsph.edu\/departments\/health-policy-and-management\/research\/centers.html\">Center for Hospital Finance and Management<\/a>\u00a0at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. \u201cWhy is 30 minutes in the operating room $2,000 and not $1,500? There is absolutely no basis for setting that charge. It is not based upon the cost, and it\u2019s not based upon the market forces, other than the whim of the C.F.O. of the hospital.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>&#8230; those charges don\u2019t really have any connection to what a hospital or medical provider will accept for payment, either. \u201cIf you line up five patients in their beds and they all &#8230; get the same exact medication and services, if they have insurance or if they don\u2019t have insurance, the hospital will get five different reimbursements, and none of it is based on cost,\u201d said\u00a0<a title=\"Her Web site.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.hollywallack.com\/about.html\">Holly Wallack<\/a>, a medical billing advocate in Miami Beach.<\/li>\n<li>&#8221;\u00a0insurers can place hospitals or providers on a preferred list, which may help bolster their business, in exchange for a lower reimbursement rate.&#8221; (Yes, the hospital your insurer &#8220;recommends&#8221; can be based solely on the fact that the provider gives the company a better deal.) (I&#8217;m guessing this explains why health insurance profits are so high, while we suffer.)<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;With so little pricing information available, expecting people to shop around for quality care at the lowest cost &#8230; is sking a lot of consumers.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Respected health economist Uwe Reinhardt says &#8220;\u201cI have always found a bit cruel the much-mouthed suggestion that patients should have \u2018more skin in the game\u2019 and \u2018shop around for cost-effective health care\u2019 ..\u00a0when patients have so little information easily available on prices and quality.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>Advocate Poole&#8217;s case (the example at top) found &#8220;charges for brand medications when the patient ordered generic, services that were double-billed, as well as charges for a private room that the patient did not request; he was only there because no other rooms were available. In another instance, a surgeon belatedly submitted his $4,400 bill to the insurance company, so the claim was denied. That wasn\u2019t the patient\u2019s fault, but he was billed anyway.&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>There&#8217;s more, but all this is entirely consistent with my personal experience, going back to when my hospital sent my insurance history to Google Health (instead of my clinical history, which I&#8217;d asked for). They&#8217;d submitted billing codes for conditions I never had (<a href=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/archives\/2009\/04\/completing-my-list-of-billing-code-errors.html\" target=\"_blank\">blog post<\/a>), like:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>aortic aneurysm<\/li>\n<li>volvulus of the intestine<\/li>\n<li>bone &amp; cartilage disease (on a day when I only had my tongue examined!)<\/li>\n<li>intestinal parasitism (during that same tongue exam)<\/li>\n<li>pathological fracture of the vertebrae (billed in 2007 and again in 2009!)<\/li>\n<li>history of stroke<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Conclusion<\/h2>\n<p>At the top I said these parts of our healthcare system seem to be a &#8220;mismanaged, tangled, screwed-up and incompetent mess.&#8221; I said those are strong words, but see what you think.<\/p>\n<p>What <em>do<\/em> you think?<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a hint: if a system&#8217;s <em>well<\/em>\u00a0managed and competent, you can find someone who knows what&#8217;s going on, what it will cost, how to fix mistakes. I&#8217;ll welcome any pointers to who that is &#8211; really, I will. My insurance company, for one, doesn&#8217;t know.<br \/>\n___________<\/p>\n<h2>Epilog: the outcome of my own cost efforts<\/h2>\n<p>After three months of spare-time research, I reached the point where I was willing to decide and get on with life. The process was a nightmare, but ultimately I got an expected $7,000 of services (<a href=\"http:\/\/epatientdave.com\/2012\/05\/21\/raw-numbers-for-treating-my-basal-cell-carcinoma-at-three-hospitals\/\" target=\"_blank\">skin cancer removal<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/epatientdave.com\/2012\/03\/25\/let-patients-help-cost-cutting-edition-part-3-shopping-for-my-next-ct-scan\/\" target=\"_blank\">a\u00a0CT scan<\/a>) for about $1,000.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/slide-kff-2011-costs-chart1.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-0\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-12546\" title=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/slide-kff-2011-costs-chart1-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" srcset=\"https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/slide-kff-2011-costs-chart1-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/participatorymedicine.org\/epatients\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/slide-kff-2011-costs-chart1.jpg 560w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Wouldn&#8217;t you like to see the cost graph whacked down like that?<\/p>\n<p>In thanks (not) for this effort to control costs, I got a letter this week saying that my insurance premium is going up 20%.<\/p>\n<p>Twenty percent.<\/p>\n<h2>Post-epilog &#8211; a question to ponder:<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">If U.S. insurance companies are keen to control costs,<br \/>\nwhy aren&#8217;t they doing something about this?<\/p>\n<p>Why aren&#8217;t their fraud departments all over things like charges for services that were not actually rendered? If false charges were on an employee&#8217;s hotel bill, would they approve it?<\/p>\n<p>Do they audit 1% or 0.1% of all bills, to make sure the charges are all valid?<\/p>\n<p>My insurance billing story was on the front page of the Boston\u00a0<em>Globe<\/em>\u00a0(April 13, 2009) &#8211; as an I.T. story, not insurance fraud, and as far as I know, the insurance company never launched an investigation. Yet every year the industry says they <em>have <\/em>to raise premiums again &#8211; because &#8220;costs keep going up.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Last fall I complained to my insurer (<a href=\"http:\/\/epatientdave.com\/2011\/11\/05\/let-patients-help-cost-cutting-edition-part-1-a-bill.\/\" target=\"_blank\">blog post<\/a>) that a recent &#8220;explanation of benefits&#8221; didn&#8217;t say what I was being charged for (every line item just said &#8220;Hospital&#8221;). My insurance company said they don&#8217;t know, either!<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not making that up! It seems that info is only in the hands of a &#8220;TPA,&#8221; third party administrator, which strips off the identifying details before sending it to <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">my<\/span> insurance company, which sends\u00a0the undocumented &#8220;EOB&#8221; to me &#8211; and demands that I pay. Meanwhile, I&#8217;m not allowed to talk to the TPA.<\/p>\n<p>I said this makes \u00a0it impossible for me to find out if there&#8217;s fraud, and <a href=\"http:\/\/epatientdave.com\/2011\/11\/05\/let-patients-help-cost-cutting-edition-part-1-a-bill.\/comment-page-1\/#comment-94974\" target=\"_blank\">the woman actually said<\/a>: &#8220;If there were, we&#8217;d do something about it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And yes, she said that after saying they don&#8217;t <em>know<\/em> what each line item is \u00a0for.<\/p>\n<p>I bet Jean Poole and her peers would gladly sell them how to audit a bill. Might save them a lot of money!<\/p>\n<p>(If you&#8217;re an insurance company that does audit for fraud, please tell us about it.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In our Society for Participatory Medicine we define this new approach to medicine as &#8230;a movement in which networked patients shift from being mere passengers to active drivers of their [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"give_campaign_id":0,"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","_price":"","_stock":"","_tribe_ticket_header":"","_tribe_default_ticket_provider":"","_tribe_ticket_capacity":"0","_ticket_start_date":"","_ticket_end_date":"","_tribe_ticket_show_description":"","_tribe_ticket_show_not_going":false,"_tribe_ticket_use_global_stock":"","_tribe_ticket_global_stock_level":"","_global_stock_mode":"","_global_stock_cap":"","_tribe_rsvp_for_event":"","_tribe_ticket_going_count":"","_tribe_ticket_not_going_count":"","_tribe_tickets_list":"[]","_tribe_ticket_has_attendee_info_fields":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[59,62,2304],"tags":[],"coauthors":[],"class_list":["post-12529","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-policy-issues","category-reforming-healthcare","category-why-pm"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Patient engagement of the financial kind: &quot;Getting Lost in the Labyrinth of Medical Bills&quot; 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