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Howard Rheingold has shared video of a backyard discussion he had with technology pioneers Doug Engelbart and Ted Nelson when they dropped by for dinner, along with Howard’s wife Judy and Nelson’s wife Marlene Mallicoat. Brief but intense discussion of the technology and the “packaging,” as Nelson calls it. Engelbart says “you can embrace all the knowledge there is in a flourish.”  Ten minutes or so into the discussion, there’s a conversation about the web and patient empowerment as Mallicoat talks about her experiences researching, and being treated for, lyme disease.